[bsg 2x12, again]

[tellitslant]

This is rushed, because I have to be net-less again in about ten minutes, but. Quick thoughts.

OK, so, I'm popping all over the place reading some meta (I really need to find more BSG people to friend; suggestions, please?), and apparently the entire Internet is reacting differently than I am to Sharon's response to Adama, which again, is basically, "Humanity deserves to be wiped out because they are flawed."

Everything I'm reading is suddenly all about how that is a horrible, horrible theme for the show, OMGs. But... it's not the theme of the show, and since when are Cylons reliable info sources anyways? I mean, come on, the Cylons are not (yet) the sympathetic characters of the show. Their motiviation is not what's driving the show's arc. Their actions, yes, but not their motivation. So if a Cylon comes in and says "We're killing you because you're flawed," then how does that suddenly conteract the message of that episode, not to mention the show itself?

I can make a decent argument that Cain was less bad writing and more an object by which a different kind of flaw was revealed and then tentatively explained-slash-accounted for. She was in a sense redeemed at the end, with her decision to stand down and her pure and true love for and by Kara - and that really is important, because Kara in this show is a very, very simple emotional stand-in, and her support for Cain does mean something beyond "Yup, they were frakking like bunnies." Flaw. Redemption. Good.

And the entire series, you see flawed judgements reaping good benefits. Adama chasing after Kara, for example. Stupid stupid move, but it works. Flawed command. Good result.

Humanity's flaws might be why the Cylons are killing them, fine. I'll accept that. But that's not the message of the show. In fact, it's probably saying a lot about what the ultimate end of the show is going to be, because I firmly believe that there's going to be some Cylon-human integration going on there, and that (some of) the Cylons are going to be redeemed by love for the wrong humans. Flaw in the Cylon programming. It makes them human. More human. Whatever.

So yeah. That was a badly-written scene, like most of the episode (but hey, those flaws too can be redeemed!), but its message is not actually indicative of the entire show. I don't think, anyways.

Comments

[violettandblue.livejournal.com]

**Applauds you**

I've found it difficult to put into words how I feel about the show and what's going on...and I think right there you nailed some of the most important things I was trying to sort out.

She was in a sense redeemed at the end, with her decision to stand down and her pure and true love for and by Kara - and that really is important, because Kara in this show is a very, very simple emotional stand-in, and her support for Cain does mean something beyond "Yup, they were frakking like bunnies." Flaw. Redemption. Good.

Exactly. ***SQUEEEEE*** I love it. I love her; I love both of them. I'm still VERY upset that Cain met her end that way, but was very happy to see Kara's eulogy. It was nicely done. Kara KNEW that what she was going to say was going to make waves, but she said it anyway. I think she respected Cain in a different way than she respects Adama...maybe sees a bit of herself in Cain...they are very similar in some ways. I miss Cain already. I liked the dynamic she brought to the show, and the tension. I was glad to see Adama not choosing the easy way out and deciding to 'deal' with Cain rather than get rid of her, but still, damn I miss her!

In fact, it's probably saying a lot about what the ultimate end of the show is going to be, because I firmly believe that there's going to be some Cylon-human integration going on there, and that (some of) the Cylons are going to be redeemed by love for the wrong humans.

I think so too. I can't wait to see it :o)

[tellitslant]

Yeah, I was sad to see Cain go. I didn't expect her to stay, but still. I think she could have brought some interesting tension to the show - plus, I like Michelle Forbes. ;) But, I do mostly trust the BSG writing team, so I'm sure something fantastic is coming our way. *g*

[ariestess]

Maybe it's just me, but I was actually disappointed by the ep as a whole. It was rather anticlimactic [sp?] to me and nothing was really "new" or un-guessable, if that makes any sense.

While I thought Cain was an evilwhorebitch, she did bring an interesting dynamic to the show. And while I did cheer at her death, she did deserve something more abrupt/intense/etc. It was an easy way out. Even with that barrel aimed at her head, she could have done something more than just stand there with a startled look on her face.

And the whole thing with Adama and Cain both pussy'ing out on their assassination attempts? Complete cop-out to me....

*blinks and realizes she's been rambling pretty heavy here* Okay, I'll shut up now for a while....

*cheesy grin*

[tellitslant]

Oh, yeah, I was totally disappointed myself. This entire arc left something to be desired - it was just badly written. And I think Cain as evilwhorebitch (heh) is due to bad writing, and the character should have been much more than she was. So, yeah, bad writing makes me sad. Especially on BSG, which is usually really well written.

[ariestess]

I've a feeling you're exactly right about the bad writing. Which really does suck because Michelle Forbes is a decent actor & I'd love to see what could have been done with that character.

So question for you....If I wrote it, would you rather see a Cain/Roslin or a Cain/Gina/Kara [or some combination thereof]? I'm debating what I'm gonna do for the resurrect_ships challenge/ficathon....

[tellitslant]

Oooh. Well, either would be fascinating. Er, hmm. I'm always up for the threesome idea, though. *g* (Not necessarily a real threesome, I know, but however it works.) I really think there's not enough Kara slash out there, too. So I will tentatively cst my vote for that one.