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Guys, how is there not yet a WHAT THE FUCK post for Doctor Who? Because, really, WHAT THE FUCK?

Okay so. WHAT THE FUCK.

So Amy is pregnant at the end of Episode One, then we have three months of running around America and then she is not pregnant. So the Amy-swap probably happened there? But that doesn't explain the Time Child from the opening two-parter.

I didn't even clue in, when the Flesh-Doctor appeared, that he could be an answer to the Doctor-death from Ep 1. And didn't he say that they could be reconstituted?

I am curious to see if there will be fic about a flesh-River somehow appearing. :P

And now I am just, this is SO OUT THERE I have no idea what the reveal about River is going to be, because I am officially giving up on trying to predict what happens in Moffat's brain.

I really am just too busy going OMG WTF that I have little to say about the rest of the ep. I loved the Two Doctors and the previous Doctors being channelled through the Flesh-Doctor, and liked that there was some balance between gagners and 'real' people surviving, and I enjoyed it much more than last week's, but DUDE WTF is my default state right now.

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...because BBCAmerica doesn't have it this week?

ETA: What the heck. I'm not even sure any more. I think I agree with everyone else - Amy was replaced in the orphanage, and I'm not certain Rory hasn't been replaced.

Edited 2011-05-30 03:50 (UTC)

As I said to someone in email, I really need a transcript of what the Doctor says to Amy and Rory once they get back in the TARDIS, because it goes way too fast and seems...critical to my understanding.

Okay so. WHAT THE FUCK.

My thoughts exactly.

I think the Amy swap happened in that terrifying sequence in the orphanage when Amy realizes there are hordes of Silence asleep above her--right before before the first appearance of the woman with the eyepatch, who says Amy is “just dreaming.”

I don't think the embedded recorder would have worked the same way with the Flesh, though maybe I'm wrong, and I also think it's significant that Canton never heard Amy scream when she's alone in the room, but hears her call for help through the abandoned recorder.

In other words, I think Amy never gets out of the room where the Silence are sleeping, that the sequence that follows is her unreliable dream of exploring the orphanage, and that the Amy rescued by Team TARDIS in the climactic shoot-out sequence of 6x02 is a Flesh duplicate. That also means I think her pregnancy began naturally before the season began, but the Silence are messing with her child.

But other people think Amy disappeared earlier, during the first episode or before the series began, or even back in series 5 sometime. I'm also convinced that the little girl is River, but we'll see...

All I know is that River is coming back next episode, and I am so excited to see her again!

I agree about when the Amy swap likely happened. I also agree about the way they played the two Doctors - I liked the reveal at the end that it was all planned - the Doctor knew the Flesh would copy him and knew that the plan was always, probably, that his Ganger would die, which explains why his Ganger was mostly all right with that - it was an interesting three-steps-ahead kind of thing worthy of the Seventh Doctor.

But yes. Then there was the end. I have NO IDEA what to say about that. None. Like, I have thoughts, largely of the panicky, ungrounded kind, but no idea what's going to happen. Which has left me oddly exhilarated but largely terrified.

THIS IS WHY I NEED SPOILERS. WHY DON'T I HAVE ANY.

So, yes. Um that's my excuse for not posting a WTF reaction post. It would literally consist of DOCTOR WHO. WHAT THE FUCK. SRSLY. WTF. HALP.

bendingwind reminded me below that the first time we see Amy have a contraction-cramp is at the end of 6x01, so maybe she was replaced before then? In which case, WHEN? Whaaaaaaat.

I don't think that's when the Amy swap happened, actually--I think it must have happened before. Amy is pregnant and experiencing contractions, which she can still feel in her flesh body because, ow. She feels the stomach cramps--the contractions--before the three-month gap, when she tells the Doctor that she thinks she's pregnant. So we have no idea.

re:River, yeah, no idea what's going on there at all. Well, ideas, but based off of spoilers I've heard around so I can't share. XD

You're right, I forgot Amy had a cramp at the end of 6.01. INTERESTING. And even more WTF. Does that mean Rory was living with a ganger? What the hell!

Someone else has since pointed out to me that it's possible she was kidnapped by the mailman (unlikely, I think), or when she went to the bathroom in the white house and encountered the Silence (more likely, I think). So not quite the entire series, but the vast majority of it...

Alternatively,

aheartthen pointed out to me that the cloaky-guys from the prequel look remarkably similar to the shadows that can be seen lurking in the background of TPO/TBB (I can't remember which and don't have the reference photos on hand) that we've been assuming are the Silence. Whatever they are, it seems clear that they have been following Amy for a very, very long time. It's possible that they kidnapped her very shortly after she restored the universe or, of course, at any point between series 5 and 6.

Which brings me to something else. (OMG THEORIES WTF). The only argument that most people have presented against my feeling that being conceived in the TARDIS/carried their during early development would make a child a Human Time Lord (other evidence: we know that there are Gallifreyans that are not Time Lord and that their place as a Time Lord relates in some way to the Time Vortex, which is partially in the TARDIS), ANYWAY, the only argument has been that if so, why didn't any other companions have Time-headed children, which is pretty easily countered by the fact that no other companion had a child while in the TARDIS. :/

I think it's also important to note the ease with which Amy could be--and was--tracked down by the Doctor's enemies, and Blue Guy's mention of hearing rumors of who's child they had stolen. A lot of people are saying that this obviously means it's the Doctor's, but I think it far more likely that it's the child of his most well-known companion--the one they specifically hunted down and studied in order to entrap the Doctor. And then there's the bit in the Lodger where the humans are not enough to pilot the ~mystery ship of the Silence, but a Gallifreyan Time Lord is too much--mightn't a human Time Lord be just right?

Okay yeah. Doctor Who makes me crazy and I am fully prepared to shout "Ignore all my previous theories!" at the drop of a hat. But that's the scenario I have built in my mind. In addition, some super spoilery thoughts based on the Times Review:

Okay, I am stopping now. For real. You, erm, seem to have sort of ended up getting all my theories dumped on you... ehehe, sorry?

Also I literally said aloud "WHAT THE FUCK?!" when that happened. What the fuck, Moffat?!

Oh dear. Well, the child is a weapon (of course), and there's rather a lot of mess in the Tardis (but there always has been), and Borusa's daughter is a terrible slut. Ah, that's not relevant until next year. Bang on!

You, dear sir, are a terrible tease. :P

Pah. Neil Gaiman still hasn't recovered from me putting him straight about 1960s police telephone boxes. (The instructions on the door - "PULL TO OPEN" - refer to the 'phone caddy door panel, not the lockable equipment storage/standing area on the right-hand side, which was always hinged to open inwards. If he'd bothered to re-watch the first part of Logopolis before penning his episode he wouldn't have screwed up.)

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